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Discussion in 'Video Games' started by Anya, Nov 28, 2022.

  1. ToroidalBoat

    ToroidalBoat ¿qué?

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    The only way to really add real "replay value" to Gen 1 games is not leveling up mons too far beyond the Elite 4, and then just re-battling the E4 without saving. Or connect to Stadium 1 or 2 for competent opponents with that N64 controller thing. Or play with friends with that link cable thing. Or do a new game.

    Also Kanto is such a geographically boring region, even in the GBA remake.
     
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  2. Judgesaturn507

    Judgesaturn507 rambling without substance

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    I'm not hating. Just observing.
    I like that Pokemon is trying to change with the times. For a while it's seemed like the series was so committed to its core formula and wasn't willing to experiment. Thankfully Legends and S/V have changed that.

    I really like the non-linear progression, the diversity of content and the story in general. This game feels very new and fresh compared to what a lot of the previous games felt like.
     
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  3. ToroidalBoat

    ToroidalBoat ¿qué?

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    fun fact: The Orre region from Colosseum is based on Arizona* in real life.

    *(that state the Desert Bus drives through)
     
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  4. Cyan

    Cyan #00FFFF Staff Member B& AF, Fam Moderator

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    I heard there's a bit of a struggle about this within gamefreak. That some of the staff want to keep the games fresh and updated, but a lot of the old guard are still on the team and are trying to prevent change.
     
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  5. Anya

    Anya Heh Administrator

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    That's understandable. I'm all about collecting, and in that respect, they're all fundamentally the same. I did like having my lead Pokemon following me around, though.

    I kind of thought a lot of the little features that are unique to each game were a little gimmicky. That said, I do like the individuality of each game. Wonder Trade was pretty great too - I honestly expected it to be a permanent feature.

    However, I have no object permanence, so that could also be why I'm not bothered by the little feature changes.
     
  6. ToroidalBoat

    ToroidalBoat ¿qué?

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    favorite 'mon is Skarmory or Articuno, I think

    (IIRC @Dunsparce likes the Porygon evolutions)
     
  7. Cyan

    Cyan #00FFFF Staff Member B& AF, Fam Moderator

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    Skarmory is okay but I like Corviknight more. I like having a massive armored raven that destroys the opposition for me. (It's bigger than the legendary birds from Gen 1 and also Charizard.)
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  8. ToroidalBoat

    ToroidalBoat ¿qué?

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    I like Mew too.

    (Mewtwo is kind of a jerk.)
     
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  9. Fialovy

    Fialovy Skeleman Warrior

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    It's much easier to get shinies in this game even though the probability is technically the same because unlike older games, more than one Pokemon can spawn at a time and you can actually see them on the overworld before battling them. Plus, Gamefreak even put failsafes in to prevent them from despawning easily and made it so your Pokemon won't attack them and actually indicate they are shiny by shaking their head. Sometimes you just stumble across shinies just from wandering around

    Though you have to make the most disgusting sandwiches if you want that specific Pokemon to spawn as a shiny, like, seriously...

    Seriously though, the world is your oyster in this game and I love it.
     
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  10. Corgi

    Corgi Friendly Forum Fiend Staff Member Moderator

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    Right at the start of my Scarlet game, I fell off a cliff and onto a shiny fidough and she’s been with me throughout my game so far. Dachsbun is my new favorite mon. :oops:
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  11. ToroidalBoat

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    lol they look like a pile of donuts
     
  12. Cyan

    Cyan #00FFFF Staff Member B& AF, Fam Moderator

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    This is the first time I've ever had a Gallade in my party. It bows to me as it should. I'm going to take over Paldea with it.
     
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  13. Fialovy

    Fialovy Skeleman Warrior

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    Dachsbun is great, it was pretty useful in the Charzard raids as a support to other players. If only people would stop using those goddamn iron hands which they do just because some Youtube apparently said they were the best. Of course they all use belly drum which cuts half your health in a fight where it is important to survive
     
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  14. ToroidalBoat

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    hey @Cyan

    What if 'mons were procedurally generated in a new game, making virtually infinite different ones?

    (of course the game would have to store the "seed" data with every procedurally generated one)
     
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  15. Fialovy

    Fialovy Skeleman Warrior

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    They actually have an entire committee when designing new mons, it is a very big deal, they want them to be as marketable as possible
     
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  16. ToroidalBoat

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    Well yeah, but it's a hypothetical question what it would be like if pocketmons were generated like planets are in No Man's Sky. Random types, random moves, random abilities...
     
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  17. Judgesaturn507

    Judgesaturn507 rambling without substance

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    In Scarlet and Violet they have a move called Comeuppance, which might bring on a slight laugh to us Christorians.
     
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  18. Fialovy

    Fialovy Skeleman Warrior

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    I mean, there are those Pokemon randomizers people use for nuzlockes and stuff
     
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    Cyan #00FFFF Staff Member B& AF, Fam Moderator

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    They'd all end up looking pretty same-y. I've seen "randomized" designs in things before, they normally all have only a handful of general base shapes, and then at best different colors are smaller features tacked on.
     
  20. ToroidalBoat

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    If AI generation - like with AI-generated art - were somehow combined with procedural generation, there could be more variety. But those could look like horrifying freaks, and likely still same-y. And that's not even getting into randomly naming the randomly generated pocketmons. Like a green 'mon that looks like an Articuno with a Sandshrew head, and they're called Weroiug.

    So it could be awhile before Game Freak could turn the making up of new 'mons over to AI - IF they do that.

    (and yeah I just randomly pressed a bunch of keys to get that name)
     
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