Faithful Hearts

It is if you're DF.

Not to mention, Silver is supposedly an ex-pirate and a known con artist, basically. He's a master manipulator. Even if he told them the truth, they have no way of knowing if he's trustworthy because of his past. Marina can harp on Donald and the others all she wants about it, but his past isn't something that can be glossed over.

 

Methinks the Great Sorcerer is a terrible judge of kingship. Isn't it because of him we have Mickey as king in the first place?

I guess him sending Marina on this journey in the first place makes perfect sense now. He already has a track record of making terrible decisions.

 

Mickey just wants Marina to finally leave the nest at age 32, and for Donald and goofy to quit loitering around in his castle.

 

Chapter 10: Plans (or "Stupid Plans")

Clearly a leftover from Mickey's Fantasia days.

Pretty rude of you, Marina, to be playing so early in the morning.

Because it's so speshul to be a fan of the classics. It's not like Disney has ever had a character like that. Oh wait...

Getting flashbacks of that girl who thought Jiminy Cricket is sexy...

"YOU ARE THE OCEAN'S GRAY WAVES"

No comment. Just admire this lovely bit of writing.

Why does Marina act like she has chemistry with everyone BUT her intended love interest? No, seriously.

"Sure, he had more important things like actually running his kingdom but I'm an almost-princess so I'm way more important!"

Father of the Year. Though to be fair, I'd probably book it too if I fathered Marina.

coughBULLSHITcough

Lemme stop ya right there, Marina.
1. They aren't your second father and mother. They're the ones that raised you while your dad was too busy playing adviser and your mom was too busy being dead, ergo they are your mother and father.
2. Why do you love him? He hardly sees you enough for you to really feel a bond with him. Realistically speaking, you should at the least be estranged. Then again, you're mental as fuck.

"Not until I need pity points."

So Marina's room is near the kitchen? Isn't this a huge-ass palace? Unless Marina is playing over loudspeakers.

You might want to get that checked out, Marina.

Poor sentence structure?! Get it away! Hisssssss!

How have the rulers not been poisoned yet? Letting a known ex-pirate (which y'know includes a little casual murdering) whose story you haven't verified with the Terran Empire cook your breakfast is incredibly stupid for a king. Even a good king must watch his back. (Not that Mickey is one.)

Holy clunky exposition, Batman!

He's right. That person's right in front of them.

We could have left it at this, buuuuuut....

Marina is so kind, she remembered to mention the chipmunks in that unnecessary bit of information. Seriously, way to turn it toward yourself.

A++++ ruling

So they're protecting the same worlds? Not sure how that's productive, Jiminy...

But I'm already losing precious time!

Hey! What did that table ever do to--
...lighted banged his fight? Is that even in English?

"You'll need all of the useless characters you can get!"

Is Marina's heart actual a chestburster?

That joke doesn't work as well when you can read it. Yes, I know Donald is an icon, but we as the audience can read his lines perfectly. Typing with an accent is annoying as dicks but at the same time you can't make a joke like this without one.

"Don't use a big word where a diminutive one will suffice."

Being an explorer requires work? Who knew!
Seriously, though, Marina has no excuse. Surely she must have read several books on the subject if it's been a dream of hers.

I'll continue in a separate post. It's been a long day and I'm tired, lol. Too tired for this long-ass chapter of nothingness.

 

Even Governor Swann from the Pirates of the Caribbean films took his daughter with him on business shit. And his crew thought she was bad luck.

 

Even though the answer is obviously "because DF wrote the story that way/DF wanted to hang out with Mickey and Friends" or something along those lines, why isn't Marina just living with her father in the Terran Empire? The story would be improved slightly if Marina lived there in the first place, and DF adores Treasure Planet. Seems like it'd be the more obvious choice than Fantasy Land or whatever the fuck their world is called.

I had to look up a few invention names for the things Ludwig Von Drake created to determine that this is a terrible name even with something like Time Reverser or Handy Helpers in the list.

Funnily enough, Von Drake's relation to Donald is actually very inconsistent and Walt Disney himself intended for Von Drake to be the brother of Donald's father. Whether you want to go with that or not is up to you.

I'm 99.8% sure that's a backhanded compliment. Also, you wouldn't guess someone is someone else's relative by marriage.

Now I ain't sayin' she's a gold digger...

He's got a point. That's very stupid, considering they really have no idea where Silver's loyalties lie because nobody bothered to fact-check. It also has absolutely nothing to do with Von Drake, so you brought it up for nothing, Daisy.

So they're okay with hundreds of scientists using something so powerful and easily abused, but letting their existence be known by "lesser" worlds and sharing tech or info on the Nightmares is terrible?

"Me" sounds like a very Scrooge thing to say rather than a Von Drake. Because, y'know, Scottish?

1. This exchange is as well-written as Marina.
2. Squinted her eye?
3. Marina is a cyclops?

Then shouldn't you know Silver is not a good guy? If everyone has heard this story, why the hell aren't you guys more suspicious?

Animal translators? Then how were you understanding each other before all this? Or rather, how were Marina and the other humans understanding them? And why animal translators? Why not a general all-purpose translator? He's an eccentric inventor, isn't he?

"Go fuck yourself, you cold-farted itch."

If only!

"Except when you wake me up at 3 a.m."

We get it. You guys are disappointed. Move on.

Well, that was anti-climactic and insulting to Pluto. Also, way to be insensitive, Marina.

And stupid. Don't forget stupid.

Please make it stop.

How did you even keep count?

So you guys want to know but you don't want to know? Wow, you're a useless bunch. And impractical.

So has Marina.

Okay, seriously, this guy is going through the trouble of making things for you and you're making comments like this.

"And a mouse trap will do for you, Your Majestic-cy."

I don't really have any comments after this, soooo... END OF CHAPTER. PLEASE INSERT DICK TO CONTINUE.

 

I really can't get over how Silver's debut is and how King Mickey himself is trying to kiss his ass and apologize for people around them distrusting him... even though the whole point of his character and in that movie he was in (y'know, the one everyone in the story is supposed to remember in this universe?) is that he is charming but is a pirate at heart. DF's obsession with Silver tries making it seem like a big misunderstanding despite the fact Silver was the villain and one of the scary parts in the movie he was in.

Treasure Planet was such a unique experience as a kid because I felt how Jim felt in not being able to trust Silver or know when he was lying or not. Silver is a pirate, he didn't even know he'd care about Jim until it was almost too late and he was going to be murdered alongside the rest of the crew. The entire point of the Treasure Island original story and Treasure Planet is that Silver and Jim can't travel together, and they can't be together - because Silver is a dishonest and greedy man and Jim has morals and would never do despicable things.

Silver didn't even open his mouth during his time in the prison and Mickey assumes it's because he's innocent. ...What?! Not only that, but he wants to make him a part of his elite and have him run around the castle unchecked? He doesn't even know the man well enough, if we ignore the giant blinking neon sign that says "Silver is a cunning pirate, remember how we've heard of him before?!"

You can really love a character without trying to paint them as a faultless hero with a misunderstood heart of gold. You have to have some sort of setup to show them even changing, when it's someone with such a bad reputation as Silver. There is perfectly good reason for no one to trust him, and throughout the story it can show that Silver really has changed and the team begin to realize it. It would make it more interesting for there to be tension with Marina and friends to see if Silver really will turn against them or show he's a part of their team now. You can't have the very first introduction be the king himself scolding people for giving the sketchy pirate glares and not feeling safe with him wandering around the castle. If this was reality, Marina and the gang would probably wonder what kind of blackmail Silver has on Mickey to make him drop any sort of suspicion and give him some sort of rank.

/Sperg.

 

That's my problem with it. You don't need science to explain it; if we as the audience are willing to accept that there's a talking mouse in red shorts and goofy clown shoes, ice powers that can create life, a talking magic mirror, a beast cursed by a fairy, and long magic hair that can raise the dead, I'm sure we can accept that some animals just can't talk. Without any of the pseudoscience. Here, the way Marina reacts to it plus how it's explained via being compared to muteness comes off as Pluto having a disability.

...is it awful a match between Silver and Donald sounds more interesting than the fic itself?
Seriously, though, it's like Donald is taking crazy pills here.

Very much agreed that you don't have to paint them as heroic or even agree with their morals to like a character. There are some characters that I adore despite not wanting to touch them with a 500ft pole in real life because the fact that they're likable assholes makes them compelling.

Mickey is really being a shitty king here. Silver has given them no reason -- not even a compelling argument -- to believe him or trust him, but Mickey is fine with letting him parade around the palace while Donald rightfully points out that Silver isn't exactly the picture of trustworthy and Marina flipflops on whether she believes he's good or not. We as the audience know he's got Nightmare connections, especially based on older drafts of Faithful Hearts. They don't, and the fact that they don't know if he does or not -- plus his past as a pirate and mutineer -- means they really have nothing to base this absurd trust on.

 

Chapter 11: Saying Good-Bye ("Marina is an explorer, mmmmm'kay?")

Well isn't this nonsensical. Either it's silent or it's not. You can't pick and choose what qualifies as noise. They already broke the silence by giving compliments. Nothing is done to even describe the silence, so you don' get a sense of the emotions going on at all.

Getting a little tired of Marina being the one to correct the other characters on things like names, as if everyone was too stupid to remember.

Also, Donald is still the sanest one here. You guys are entrusting everything to a known pirate. He claims his allegiance has changed, but nobody knows for sure since you didn't check anything! Yes, I'm harping on it, but this is incredibly bad judgement.

Whoa whoa whoa
Hold the fuck up. You're not contacting the people he's supposed to be employed by, but you're having him "verified" by a talking head in a glass ball who's giving her opinion that he's telling the truth? That's not the same! Not at all! Leota could be wrong. (And she in fact is.) Don't just gloss over this!

Spoiler

It's glossed over.

Why are they having a show? No context here, unless a regular water and light show is where most of Fantasy Land's tax dollars go.

Also, we get it, DF. You've been to Disney World. Good for you.

Two people that are sooooo close to Marina, but they can't even make time to even stop by for a few minutes before they leave? Errands isn't a good excuse, and if Ward is the captain then he can stand to have someone watch his post for a little while. Do they just not want to deal with Marina any longer than they have to?

Spoiler: Personal opinion

Why weren't Peggy and Ward Marina's parents? They seem to fill that role more than Mickey and Minnie, or at least would make some sense, even if there's still the adoption angle. It'd certainly save from having Darren Seadrift and the royal family looking like incompetent parents, or in Darren's case a deadbeat. It'd even better explain Marina having learned some swordsmanship due to her father being the captain of the royal guard. ORIGINAL PLOT IDEA DONUT STEEL!

Or he could completely betray you. One of the two.

Does it just not register to anyone who's not Ward or Donald that Silver is falling back on his well known charms to get into their good graces? They've heard what happened during the events of Treasure Planet. They know he mutinied against his last known authority figure, not to mention Silver's done nothing to prove he's changed. Just kissed their asses and told them what they want to hear, like a, y'know, manipulator does?

Okay, firstly, this is some clunky-ass dialogue.

Secondly, this is what I meant by Marina flipflopping. She was defending him earlier, but now she's suddenly having some doubts?

I'm pretty sure that's not where hearts are supposed to be.

Silver can only be trusted as far as you can throw him, but he's not being unreasonable. Marina -- who claims to want to be an explorer, should know better than to act like a stereotypical spoiled brat. Also, remember she's 32.

His ship, his rules, Marina.

Yeah, you better watch out, Silver. She might go crying to Daddy.

Our protagonist, ladies and gentlemen.

No, really. It takes up several paragraphs.

"Soooo... you've seriously never been away from home? Never gone off to visit your father vs passively waiting for him to do it? You're 32, ffs.

>doesn't want to stay away from home "too shortly"
>wants to explore the Etherium
???
I get what she's going for on an idea level, but the execution just makes Marina seem wishy-washy.

 

That would make this story better, and we can't have that!
Really, though, I know Marina is what DF wants her to be at that moment in time but she can't even decide if Silver is trustworthy or not. Unless she's just being contrary because it's Donald who's being the most vocal about it, since we all know how mature Marina is.

 

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