Disney Animated Canon

Yeah, that was one of the reasons it got shut down at the pitch. A similar thing happened with American Dog, which would become Bolt after Chris Sanders left Disney and got hired at DreamWorks. There's apparently two different sides of the story, though, ranging from "Lasseter said the story was a mess, going all over the place and was disconcerting, and Sanders refused to change anything" to "Disney execs thought it was too dark and mature for kids, and Sanders refused to change anything".

 

That seems to be the trouble with "fairy tales" in this day and age. People tend to find them 'problematic' for all sorts of reason like women being helpless.

Somehow Gus' entrance always kinda interested me since it felt like we have this mouse who's a blank slate, trapped in a cage, naked and afraid, but is then given assurance that Cinderella was nice from another mouse, given clothes to wear and a name, then his personality really comes out. I'm not sure why I'm turned on by that.

Yet I know a few people who were greatly influenced by Bambi for it's ecological theme.

The Jungle Book never did much for me, and for one good reason, the wolves hardly stick around past those first five minutes! It bugged me when I first saw it back in the mid 80's and it still does today! This was a case when the studio simply threw the book away and wrote their own story just so they could get Mowgli out of the jungle in time rather than to follow along with how Kipling had intended him to learn the Laws of the Jungle otherwise.

It always felt sad when they turn back into humans again and the one squirrel that had the hots for Wart just can't stop crying about it, the the scene fades out and we're back to the hilarity of what's going on in the kitchen and it's such a mood swing!

The original Pinocchio was such an asshole in the book!

Interesting your timeline for this period starts in '86. I always thought 1988-89 was more preferable.

I'm sure you will. You'd only wish Robin Hood was half this good!

I didn't see it for along time until someone bought the BluRay and I bothered to watch it one day.

I think they were trying to test your expectations whether this was an antagonist or not, they really didn't try to play him too arrogantly as Gaston, though he was also answering to someone else from his crew as they were planning this takeover of the kingdom, though I suppose it was a gradual realization.

There are times when I do wish Nick wasn't a sidekick the way they ended up going simply because the first draft just couldn't get any traction.

Who knows, her IMDB does show a slow decline otherwise. Still I suppose it's better than the Saturday morning stuff she had to toil with back in the 80's (Garbage Pail Kids, really?).

I'm sure it did.

I've heard this too, and it's rather a shame he simply left than to compromise his ideals this way. Sometimes it is a battle between the creative side and the executives upstairs. I suppose in the upmost way possible, this was literally a Sanders film than a Disney one, given the way he wanted to do it.


We nearly lost Zootopia this way due to the earlier story idea they had with the shock collars.


A YouTuber's attempt a reconstructing that earlier version...


I suppose it does come down to what they expect the audience to see or what is acceptable to the intended demographic. Of course Disney does the family-oriented stuff most of the time, not always pushing the envelope too much.

 

Now that you mention it...I think we both need to receive Powerlevel and Deviant ratings.

I heard Walt actually threatened anyone who'd actually read the book with being fired. Like most of the "Walt Disney is a bad boss" stories it's probably an exaggeration rather than an outright fabrication.

My headcanon has the squirrel named Guinevere.

A lot of people completely forget that The Great Mouse Detective was a good movie and there wasn't much between it and The Little Mermaid, so it's not so much "When did the Renaissance begin?" as "When did that lucky streak of a bunch of good movies in a row, which happens to include the first half of the Renaissance, begin?"

 

Yes, we've gotten carried away!

I bet, more so than the anger he had for having directed this 30 years before...


He fired people on the spot for even mentioning it, that was how terrible it was. Apparently not terrible enough to be destroyed, as we can see it anyway!
http://cartoonresearch.com/index.php/walt-disneys-the-golden-touch-1935/

Hmmm, what would the fat one be called?

That's true (and I suppose Oliver & Company is the odd kid out).

 

Huh, no wonder Bolt was good; a Disney guy made it... just outside of the company.

As for the Sword in the Stone, I actually like it for the weird episodic nature of it. And speaking of strange concepts, we do need to go into Walt's Latino fetish, namely this:

 

Ha ha ha I feel like I'm the only one who doesn't like Bolt too much, but eh. Still, Chris Sanders is talented, even though I do think it was a miracle he got Lilo and Stitch made (I think had he refused to drop the deleted scene of Pudge the fish dying because Stitch was an asshole, the movie could've taken longer to make or shelved to die, but that's just speculation). I'm still interested in knowing what American Dog was going to be like, but it seems like unfortunately, not a lot of information is known about it. At the very least, because of all that, he went on to work on How to Train Your Dragon and then made The Croods, so some good came out of it.

 

I tried watching some of my family's old Disney movies after playing through Kingdom Hearts, only to find out that most of our old VHSes are fucking gone. I assume we either sold a bunch of them, or they're hidden in a box somewhere in the house, and the worst part is that I couldn't find the ones I actually wanted to watch, like Tarzan and Hercules. Luckily I still found the Toy Story, Aladdin and Peter Pan ones (and the box for Hercules, but not the actual VHS), but I haven't gotten around to watching them.

 

Funny thing is it's not really demonstrably worse than the other hundreds of Silly Symphonies. And while nowadays thanks to the Disney Animated Canon and the Disney Afternoon and other such TV animations we know Disney as the high-quality animation company, the irony is that well into the WW2 era "Mickey Mouse" was synonymous with low-quality output churned out with the minimum effort.

 

You can always check thrift stores, one near me often gets in plenty of those tapes!

 

From the non Pixar movies/franchises I did happen to like before, I liked Aladdin, Tarzan, Mulan, The Lion King, Atlantis, The Jungle Book, Treasure Planet, The Emperor's New Groove, 101 Dalmatians, Rescuers Down Under, and Big Hero 6.

As for Pixar? I liked the Toy Story and Brave franchises
(PM me if you're interested in knowing who were my favorite characters. The VAST majority of them are human FYI)

 

Lion King, Aladdin, Toy Story and Hunchback of Notre Dame have nostalgia value for me because I remember going to the theater to see them as a kid. I still like them as an adult, esp. Lion King and Hunchback because they get a little dark at times. I also really like Frollo as a villain and he has some great songs (Hellfire, anyone?)

Beauty and the Beast is one of my favorites because of Gaston, and as a bookworm I can appreciate Belle's love for reading.

I'm borrowing Tarzan from the library because I like the Phil Collins songs in it and I've read a few of the Edgar Rice Burroughs Tarzan novels - read them if you haven't, they're badass.

 

Can we talk about how adorably sad Big Hero 6 was?

Damn man, I still miss Tadashi.

 

i think atlantis is very underrated

but i havent seen it in ages so.

also jungle book was kinda cool but only for the jazz songs and that white jazz guy who voiced baloo. and king louie.

king louie and the queen from wonderland should hang out.

 

Certainly was.

I think so too.

You mean these two....
Phil Harris
Louis Prima

The studio (especially Walt in particular) really loved Phil Harris enough to have him on again in two more features (Thomas O'Malley in The Aristocats and Little John in Robin Hood). Louis Prima was going to play the role of a bear named Louis in an earlier draft of The Aristocats before those scenes were dropped.

Surprised if they didn't show that in The House of Mouse.

 

I know this is just about Disney movies, but this is Disney-related anyway, and has been something that's been going on for a few years and has now finally come to an end.

So Disney, along with several other studios like DreamWorks and Blue Sky, was caught in this wage-fixing cartel scandal since at least 2014, though this sort of thing has been going on for decades. Even after a judge ruled that these studios couldn't evade this lawsuit, the whole ordeal was messy, and it did take up 'til now to sort everything out. Disney was the last to settle it, and they did it very recently with a $100 million deal. I doubt it'll hurt the studio in any way (this might've helped play a part in DreamWorks' financial struggles, however), but the fact that light has finally been shone on how animators are treated in the business (despite some reports in the past), especially from such a studio that was originally founded to treat animators and their creations fairly, it should be bringing some changes to the industry.

Also Club Penguin's shutting down, but no one here cares.

 

Wow. Thanks Trump.

 

Be interesting to see what frugal efforts will be made in the future thanks to this.

 

Well this is my first time hearing about this and I am not surprised at all by this. I've always known animators had it rough, but i thought American ones had at least a little better thanks to labor laws. But hey keeping the money pit ocean deep matters more then the employees that help keep it deep. thought most Disney tards probably ignored or missed it as they jerk off the latest product as a "masterpiece".

 

If this was the farms, I'd be rating the last bit optimistic so hard I'd be making socks to accurately gauge it. My assumption is they will find new and horrific ways to fuck over their animators, such as shifting to live again because that means they don't need to even bother. It's why they ruined their own channel with bad sitcoms after all.