Star Trek

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Best Star Trek

  1. The Original Series

    5 vote(s)
    17.9%
  2. The Animated Series

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    0.0%
  3. The Next Generation

    15 vote(s)
    53.6%
  4. Deep Space Nine

    7 vote(s)
    25.0%
  5. Voyager

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  6. Enterprise

    1 vote(s)
    3.6%
  7. Other

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  1. ToroidalBoat

    ToroidalBoat "Modernly Tech Savvy"

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    I heard Discovery and the JJ Abrams films are so different from earlier Star Trek is because of copyright related reasons.
     
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    Seems very dubious to me.

    At the moment, Viacom have the right to make Star Trek movies through their subsidiary Paramount Pictures, whilst CBS have the right to make TV series, and I believe the right to syndication of old series. I'm not sure how they handle the trademark use in general for merchandising etc. I suspect CBS have it, because I remember the Star Trek Online devs mentioning that there were a couple of things CBS wouldn't let them do. The situation is a holdover is from when Viacom purchased and effectively became CBS, and then the company split 5 years later, making a new Viacom. For whatever reason, Viacom took Paramount Pictures with them, whilst CBS kept the now defunct Paramount Television, effectively splitting the movie and TV rights to Star Trek.

    From that, you can maybe argue that CBS owns or has more control of the Star Trek "brand" as a whole and had Viacom/Paramount make the Abrams movies look different to the series as part of the deal to let them make them. That level of micro-management seems unlikely to me, but as above, they have some interest over what can and can't go on in Star Trek Online, so maybe they do go down to that level. But it makes no sense that both Discovery (made by CBS) and the Abramsverse movies (made by Viacom/Paramount) would have to be different since surely one or other of them has to own the trademark and can do what they like with it?

    If it's about Rodenberry's estate or some other old Trek name (Bermega perhaps) still having a finger in a pie somewhere, surely simply calling it Star Trek would entitle them to royalties?

    "Hear all. Trust nothing"
     
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    ToroidalBoat "Modernly Tech Savvy"

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    Speaking of Discovery, when I first heard about it I thought it'd have the same aesthetic as TOS since it's set around the same time. I wasn't expecting a JJ Abrams-esque thing with magic space spores.
     
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    ToroidalBoat "Modernly Tech Savvy"

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    The planet surface set in Arsenal of Freedom looks like something right out of TOS.

    I don't know of anyone who really likes it.
     
  8. Doc Cassidy

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    They ran out of money and it was during the writers strike so they made the cheapest episode they possibly could. The entire episode was filmed in three days.
     
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    Uncle Frank I am the senate

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    fuckin shatner dude
     
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    Shatner had the greatest fighting moves of all time

     
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    ToroidalBoat "Modernly Tech Savvy"

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    It's perfectly normal for a rider to keep a saddle in their quarters.
     
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    Quick question. How many lights do you see right now?
     
  13. ToroidalBoat

    ToroidalBoat "Modernly Tech Savvy"

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    The Romulans are very patriotic. Or brainwashed. The Romulan imperial symbol shows up everywhere. On their uniforms, on console panels, on the wall of the bridge, etc.
     
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    Well, there are many elements of the franchise that are trademarked, from the uniforms to the weapons to the ships, etc. And since those trademarks are divided up, no Abramsverse movie or Discovery episode will have all of them together. At least that's what I understand, anyway.

    The more cynical take is that Discovery is made to look visually similar in style to Abrams (lens flare, big glass walls, etc) in order to attract normies who saw the movies, while seeding it with proprietary Trek elements to capture the Trekkie base.

    I will say that, since almost everyone who signed up for the streaming service did so to watch this one show, and are likely to cancel when the season is over, it's pretty greedy of CBS to have a "mid-season break" to milk them for money when there's nothing on that they want to watch. (Not that I would do anything other than pirate it, myself. I figure it's fair considering I already pay a "broadcast retransmission fee" to CBS and the other major networks in my cable bill for the privilege of watching something with commercials that's already broadcast over the air for free.)
     
  15. ToroidalBoat

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    Easy solution: make a new series set even further than the TNG/VOY/DS9 era, with a new crew and new Enterprise with more to do and explore. It worked for STNG vs TOS.

    Of course corporate media today isn't exactly known for creativity.
     
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