Star Trek

Am I a terrible person for not thinking the Excelsior is a good looking ship? I kinda like the refit/battleship but I just find it ugly. I know in lore it's super useful and a wonderful lay out but I just think they are ugly.

 

Well, tbf, the Excelsior platform's long lifespan is entirely because they had a ready made, movie-quality model at the start of TNG and they decided they might as well use it for guest ships.

 

I like the bridge design in Search for Spock. It almost has a Next Gen feel to it.

 

Makes sense, they were also pretty common still come DS9 era.

I think the films looks of outfits computers ships etc tend to be my favorite.

 

I like how Star Trek predicted that TV died out sometime in the 21st century.

 

Fifi

 

Who knows, it could happen.

 

We can only hope

 

I don't see why some say Search For Spock is a bad movie.

But when I was a kid, I couldn't understand what he hell was going on sometimes. Seeing it now really clears it up.

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Also poor hideous dog thing.

 

Hot fucking garbage. I'll never watch a second episode.

Ok the first officer makes sonichu look deep she's a useless Mary sue. Oh she's smarter stronger faster wiser and knows spocks dad and sexy and knows more about history and and and and..... fuck I wanted to drown her.

The show pretends on ep one you care about the cast...who you don't know. Lazy imho.

What they did with klingons sucks period.

As I said Mrs Mary sue consumes whole show. They had a few bridge officers I'd like to know more about.. nah time for Mary sue. They also did horrible job in regards to science officer. He was wonderful actor. His race was bred as prey. Tons to expand but fuck you we got first officer black lady who does space ships and kung fu and chess and smoked a joint with willie Nelson and fought I'm ww2 and gave ceaser a elbow drop. Literally in this neat speech abut his race was bred as prey she makes all about her. And we lose lore.


Ok done ranting but fuck man this shit was bad.

 

Didn't it also have a JJ Abrams "reboot" feel to it?

 

Yes, but thankfully a bit less lens flare than JJ loves to use.

 

Was Discovery all preachy, was it all action and little substance like the "reboots," or did it try to go for the middle ground like the old Star Trek series? Did it try to cater to the stereotypical Tumblr crowd?

 

What doesn't thesedays?

 

Well, when they first announced it, they said they would run with it big time, the back lash was so bad they said, ok sorry we won't. I think I mentioned it earlier but literally the first plans were because we want to pander so hard, that were had a hybrid klingon federation ship because, everyone was just peaceful and loved each other and got a long.

From seeing it, my two cents, they didn't pander it just was poorly done. The first officer happens to be a black woman, no one cares anymore, she's fucking terrible because she's a Mary Sue not because her race, creed,color etc.

I think because it's so poorly done, some people might feel it's a pander with some of the stuff but I think it just is the case of being done wrong.

In a ton of ways TOS was a very progressive show, but that was just a side effect, it was a good show and ground breaking aside it's progressive leanings.

There was a lot of substances less action, while they tried to build some drama of how the galaxy is about to erupt in a war. What ever those alien things are, are not Klingons, and calling them such makes anyone who's even heard of Worf ruins it. You can't rebrand them, why not bring in a new race? We all know who and what to expect from the Klingons, but these things got a free rewrite and named dropped Kalass a few times.

So the big part of a war of the Fed and Klingons loses its "threat" because, you can't see these things as Klingons and they are gonna do god knows what aside pull one of those weird sword things out as a homage.

As the reboot also suffers from, the fact it's earlier in the time line than TOS, but the tech is more advanced.

I know I'm being very critical, but trust me, I rather have had low hopes and had to eat crow and get a good show, it doesn't please me to rant about it.

Being a stream only thing, I think could kill off a large amount of popular shows, and on a service no one uses and a show that doesn't have a huge fan base, and from what the internet buzz is (if that's to be taken seriously) a lot of people feel the same, if not a lot worse than my thoughts.

To end on a better note, as said before there is one character who's both well acted and I want to know more about, yet he got cut off all the time and it wasn't like a comedic effect it was to up the Mary Sue level.

 

Does Hollywood / American TV have an inability to make good revivals of old franchises anymore?

The way I see it, TOS tech is more advanced than it appears. Maybe 2260s engineers want tech to look more retro?

That's not good. Not everyone has a reliable internet connection with a current OS. If they wanted to watch, of course.

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I haven't seen it, but I find it incredibly stupid that this is being held behind a paywall for a streaming service no one wants; a streaming service for a channel that has an audience too fuckng old to understand what a streaming service even is. Who the fuck has ever watched CBS and wanted to pay for more of it?

 

Discovery pilot was a mixed bag for me.

There be spoilers here.

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Captain Georgiou was awesome and Picard would totally have sex with her. Too bad she died, cos I'd like to see a series about her.

Burnham I'm less sure on. She was okay in parts and Soneque Martin-Green's acting was good enough, but I didn't buy her going as far as to mutiny in order to carry out her plan to make the Klingons respect the Federation by firing first. Not to mention the plan was bollocks anyway. Just because the Klingons respect you doesn't mean they won't kill you if it's what they want and think is in their best interests. I'm also not sure about her decision to kill T'Kuvma as revenge for Georgiou. The fact that she had to change the setting on the phaser from stun to kill made it feel a little too 'mechanical' to me for it to have been done in angry reaction. If she'd had a knife and plunged it into his neck it would've worked better. Also why is she called Michael and did they have to basically make her Spock's foster sister? As Erika says, a bit Mary Sueish. Maybe it'll be toned down going forward.

Not exactly keen the obligatory Kooky Alien character, he just annoyed me mostly. T'Kuvma didn't do a lot for me either. Sarek was very good.

The plot itself was decent and should provide a good launch pad for a new series, but the scenes on the bridge in the first episode felt a bit flat. The second episode was a lot better and I was quite fond of the bridge scenes during the battle. I also like that they had to abandon the disabled Shenzou rather than miraculously patching it back together to get home and that Burnham was actually done for mutiny (although life imprisonment is OTT, especially for Starfleet) instead of being let off because of her amazing talent and character like normally happens in Star Trek.

In terms of the look, I'd give it a bit of a pass on the ships and technology because I'm struggling to envision something that fits in with the look of TOS and still looks polished enough to be on TV in 2017.

But the Klingons. Nope. There's just no reason for them to look like that. Yeah, I know the look changed between ToS and the movies, but they went from humans to humans with funny foreheads. Their physical frame (Worf isn't really any bigger than Sisko), how they talked and how they moved was still the same and still basically human, and they still had fingers instead of fucking claws. Discovery Klingons are physically too big and there's total overkill on the prosthetics. And it's not just an issue of continuity, they struggle to speak clearly and they look clumsy and stupid. And I really don't see how the plot would've been in any way inhibited if they'd been ToS or TNG era Klingons instead of clones of Krall from Star Trek Beyond. It was a completely unnecessary change that does nothing only annoy.

I'm gonna keep following it and it's better than the pilot of Cancerprise in the sense that it wasn't about a captain with daddy issues and his redneck engineer bitching about Vulcans for 90 minutes, but the Klingons are proper shit.

TOS' progressiveness was deliberate. Roddenberry wanted to show a positive future where humans no longer fight among themselves, we've laid aside all our prejudices and there's no war on earth etc.

That and apparently showcase his massive hate boner for religion, but the execs usually reigned him in on that.

 

It's more progressive than the "progress" of today that seeks to divide people by race and other "marginalized groups."