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Star Trek

Discussion in 'Shows' started by Mouseberger, Jan 22, 2017.

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Best Star Trek

  1. The Original Series

    5 vote(s)
    16.7%
  2. The Animated Series

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  3. The Next Generation

    16 vote(s)
    53.3%
  4. Deep Space Nine

    7 vote(s)
    23.3%
  5. Voyager

    1 vote(s)
    3.3%
  6. Enterprise

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    3.3%
  7. Other

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  1. TheVoid

    TheVoid Well-Known Member

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    Never watched Deep Space Nine, but I remember all the silly Deep Space Sixty Nine jokes that were so prevalent online at one time.
     
  2. ToroidalBoat

    ToroidalBoat ¿qué?

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    DS9 doesn't really appeal to me because it's a stationary space station.
     
  3. Luna

    Luna Well-Known Member

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    Starting around season 3 they go on away missions in the USS Defiant though.
     
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  4. ToroidalBoat

    ToroidalBoat ¿qué?

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    How does DS9 compare to TNG?
     
  5. Luna

    Luna Well-Known Member

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    DS9 is a lot more personal than TNG was, like it's essentially about a handful of people with different but intersecting goals and beliefs in life who are brought together on this one space port and how the grand sweeping movements of the various alliances and governments across the galaxy impact them. So like while everyone on the USS Enterprise was unified in their goals of exploring the final frontier and the peaceful exchange of culture and ideas with alien races, not everyone on DS9 has the same ideas for what they should be doing in mind. Constable Odo and Quark the bartender/black market operator for instance are generally on less than amicable terms.
    The flip side of this though is that the show focuses a lot less on straightforward social commentary than TNG did since there's only a handful of different factions they deal with, and for a lot of people seeing all the complex red tape and political maneuverings and underhandedness that happens in these interstellar societies makes it seem like a miserable version of the future, especially once it gets into the Dominion war.
     
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  6. Erika

    Erika RL incel hunter

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    DS9 is my favorite with out a doubt but the cast of TNG was dare say perfect.

    What I liked about DS9 was it showed the dark underbelly. Also Garrak is one of my favorites of any media.

    There was such a great mix of "of the week" episodes with a much broader focused plot with tons of twists and turns. There were parts of DS9 I didn't like like most season 1 was pretty trying and dull, 2 got the ball rolling but slow when the defiant shows up yea game changes. In a great way. A few sub plots and characters I just didn't like where as TNG every actor was perfect every character flaws and all were great. I could live with out Kai Wynn at all, granted that became important later on she wan't bad just trying. Jake and Nog, skip them. Because Nog was so unlikeable his later depression saga (not spoiling) is un relatable. If he had his issue happen being anyone else would be good.

    A lot of people don't like DS9 too because it shows how even the good guys can and will be evil. With out spoiling, Sisko proves he's a BAMF and doesn't get punished by the Fed for doing something highly messed up. A lot of the races are expanded on, lets be real half of even TNG and all of TOS most the other races are walking stereotypes. TNG starts to branch out, but DS9 really shows how they all are their own spieces with different thoughts and values but overlap towards human in ways. Even in the end of TNG Klingon religon is just kinda hocus pocus DS9 it shows it to be a really interesting mix of things like meditation, spirituality and even a power struggle in the classes.

    I happen to really like the Cardassians and having them a main race is a big bonus. DS9 has a lot more action. That is cool because I like action but a start contrast from TNG, when your stressing is there about to be a shot fired... 99% it cools off from something, in DS9 somethings about to blow up. The CGI hasn't aged too poorly either.

    I've tried Voyager and find it flat awful, Janeway is cancer. She's incredibly poorly written, also I can't care about any of the cast aside her but the actress isn't terrible it's her bi polar writing that makes it cartoonishly dumb. It's very hard to care about cast aways when you just don't like anyone on the ship.

    I like TOS but most of it I found aged poorly sadly. Some episodes are still great but aside that I don't find myself watching it.
     
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  7. Sad Ken

    Sad Ken Horrible Cunt

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    I always set The Original Series apart from the more modern offerings when comparing them all because it has to be viewed as ground breaking an revolutionary in the 60s. And whilst episodes like "City on the Edge" and "The Doomsday Machine" still stand up today, and the relationship between Kirk, Spock and McCoy is always excellently portrayed, in the cold light of 2017, there's a lot of ill conceived crap in it.

    Stuff like:

    Spock: I can only conclude that the entire universe ceased to exist for a brief moment.
    Kirk: "The universe ceased to exist". Oh fuck off, Spock, that's a load of bollocks.

    Except Kirk doesn't actually say the second line, unfortunately.

    DS9 Seasons 3-6 was probably as consistently strong as Star Trek ever was. It fell apart in season 7 a bit for me though. I never took to Ezri Dax, and Worf's reaction to her and the fact that no one fucking slapped him over it pissed me off. And there were aspects of the final arc I didn't like, such as the Defiant being destroyed but then the baddies didn't bother to round up the escape pods and torture Sisko & Co for valuable information and the Dominion deciding that committing genocide is a good use of resources when an enemy fleet is about to show up on your doorstep. Just in case the audience was too stupid to realise they were evil. These are minor details, but the sheer un-neccessity of them grates with me.

    I've also retroactively decided that Avery Brooks doesn't act all that well in it. When portraying emotions, he usually goes from zero to NOM NOM NOM SCENERY NOM NOM very quickly. On the whole it's still very good and probably just about my favourite. The likes of Garak, Odo and Quark are the among the best characters ever in any Star Trek.

    TNG was close behind. Different animal to DS9 in terms of its episodic nature and generally more positive tone but basically as good. I'd say the best episodes of TNG are a little better than DS9's best, but there aren't as many of them. Season 1 and Season 2 are kind of weak though and I think it at times relies on Picard to carry it.

    Voyager overall was silly. The producers and writers basically stopped integrating the main premise (a single, relatively small ship having to survive in the Delta Quadrant) into the episode plots after about a season and just tried to be TNG - except not nearly as good, and with no Picard. Character development happened in awkward lumps whereby instead of gradually building things, you'd suddenly have "Look! Harry has career ambitions, he's complaining that he'd have been promoted by now in the Alpha Quadrant" "Look! B'Elanna's self-harming out of guilt over all the dead Maquis", and then there's the plot armour. This week we can tank 7 Borg Cubes and 15 Hirogen Hunting Vessels, but next week we'll be foiled by a spider with seven of its legs cut off. Buried in all the siliness are two good characters in Tuvok and The Doctor and some very good individual episodes though.

    Enterprise is pig shit and everyone involved with it should cringe with embarrassment forever.

    I'm hoping Discovery will be good, but considering rumours flying around that Fuller and other Star Trek alumni were de facto fired from it for wanting at least a token attempt at consistency with the Original Series in terms of technology and appearance and that leaked picture of those Klingons (and they are absolutely meant to be Klingons, btw) that didn't look anything like either ToS or modern series Klingons, I'm not really confident the IP is being handled respectfully.
     
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  8. ToroidalBoat

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    "This is my chicken sandwich and coffee."
     
  9. Luna

    Luna Well-Known Member

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    Aren't the Organians (that race of energy beings from TOS) explored more in the ENT series?
     
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    there was an animated series?
     
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  12. Sad Ken

    Sad Ken Horrible Cunt

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    The TAS can be interesting (and unintentionally hilarious), but it shouldn't be canon because it can get ridiculous at times compared with the rest of the series.
     
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    Sorry for the double post, but what's the deal with the Borg queen? Aren't the Borg a collective?
     
  15. Luna

    Luna Well-Known Member

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    I always thought it was a bad idea since the borg were supposed to be like a collective hivemind with no central authority, but I think the concept behind having a borg "queen" was to make them more in line with like insects.
     
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    So is she a manifestation of the collective, or an independent being. or part of it with a controlling role or something (kind of like the brain in a body)?

    And if the Borg have a single voice to speak for them (the queen) why capture and assimilate Picard to speak for them? Or was the queen not around yet?
     
  17. Luna

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    She mentioned previously being a drone before becoming the queen so it's possible that the collective creates a "queen" out of their stock to act as the brain, but she clearly has free will and emotions, which the collective isn't supposed to have so who knows. They don't really go into it with her appearances in VOY and First Contact really doesn't make any sense, like at all.
     
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    At the same time, she said she's encountered "thousands of beings accross thousands of worlds" who tried to resist assimilation, so either she was doing a lot of travelling, or there may be a continuity error.

    Either way, I remember being confused (and still am) by the Borg queen when I watched that First Contact movie.
     
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  19. Sad Ken

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    The story with the Borg Queen is that early scripts of First Contact lacked something without a proper antagonist and they threw her in without overthinking the details.

    Since they put her in Voyager after she got killed in FC, the only half-reasonable canon explanation is that, as Luna says, new Queens are activated / created as needed.
     
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    The Borg Queen was a mistake.
     
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